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  • Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Andy CMember Profile 3 Member Projects, 3/15/2011 12:29 ET
    The bigger kid in the video is that was getting bullied for awhile. I can't believe he stands there for the first few minutes and doesn't retaliate sooner.

    http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/video-of-bully-victim-body-slamming-his-antagonizer-goes-viral-media-firestorm-clouds-form/#

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/15/2011 12:35 ET
    I think this is the same vid, sans the sportsgrid website that seems to make my browser crawl and has some NSFW items:



    Seemed to me the little guy was goofing around. But then again, even when goofing around, things can go too far.

    TJR
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by R3V090Member Profile,3/15/2011 12:44 ET
    Yea.. That little kid definitely is broken..
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by JoCool311Member Profile ,3/15/2011 12:59 ET
    You deserve a power slam if you punch someone in the face. Got what he deserved.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Bill VMember Profile,3/15/2011 13:06 ET
    The message title says the kid who fights back got suspended. Any info on the other kid? Did he get suspended too? Seems like he should not only be suspended as well, but moreso than the bigger kid, as it definitely seems that the littler guy is instigating...
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/15/2011 13:15 ET
    Hey, the big kid...I think I have seen him before.

    That kid definately seems to be swallowing a lot of aggression, along with a lot of pizzas...ha, ha, ha...pizzas!

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by EddieS'04Member Profile1 Member Project,3/15/2011 13:18 ET
    IMO, suspend the little guy. Also the little guy deserved the body slam.
    I might be wrong, but. My own insight, from being bullied. I see the big guy as a kid that is not a bully but gets bullied. He had enough.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/15/2011 13:22 ET
    The little guy deserved something, but a forceful body slam onto concrete by someone 3x his size,... probably not.

    But then again, don't start none, won't be none!

    Like I said above...seemed more like playful tom-foolery, that the big guy took very seriously at some point. Wouldn't be the first time one kid was messing around, and the other kid took it more seriously than intended.

    I think the term that comes to mind is:

    proportional response

    TJR
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Andy CMember Profile 3 Member Projects,3/15/2011 13:27 ET
    The little guy probably thought he was goofing around, but Not too many people goof around by punching someone in the face for no real reason. You could argue that the bigger kid could've used lesser force, but to his defense, he didn't retaliate right away by anymeans and the little kid just kept harrassing him os he was deserving of it - kinda like, you don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Casey probably did what he thought he had to do to get the little kid to stop hitting him.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by DaveMember Profile ,3/15/2011 14:31 ET
    With the zero tolerance policies now, I am sure they were both suspended.

    My youngest son was small, and had been bullied numerous times in the past. As his father I explained the school policy, and also that he should never start a fight. I also told him that if he defends himself, and did not start the fight, I will NOT pushish him at home for defending himself. He tried some, but was still being picked on. He was scared.

    Then one summer before his freshman year he hit a growth spurt, and also started getting some personal confidence. The next time he was bullied (Hit in the face to be specific) he fought back. As he tells it, he got in several good hits too. As suspected, he was suspended for 3 days. When the principal asked me to have a talk with him during his suspension, I told him I would right after I stopped and got him and I some Ice Cream... The face the principal made was priceless.. I explained that not only would he not be punished at home, I was going to praise him for defending himself. I explained that he did not start the fight, and while I dissagree with the zero tolerance policy, I certainly will not punish my kid for defending himself. I than asked him, when you were in School, would you just stand there while someone was hitting you? Before he could answer, I said "I think not..."

    My son is a Senior now, and hasnt been bullied or picked on in some time. In fact, he has become a moderator of sorts and helps to PREVENT fights and problems at school. The point is, EVERYONE, no matter the size, color, or gender has the right to defend themselves. I dont think that right should be only allowed when off school grounds. Once a kid shows he or she will not "take it" anymore, and will fight back. its no longer fun for the bully.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Steve MMember Profile2 Member Projects,3/15/2011 14:37 ET
    Hooo-ray for the chunky kid!!! That face smack didn't look like play to me! The wormy little bastage got what he deserved!

    When I was in Jr High (Middle) School my buddy I caught the school bus with was like the chunky kid. Another kid that caught the bus with us was just like the bully, except taller, and he always pulled that crap on my friend. My chunky friend just took it. Ya know, enough is enough. I took the bully out and he never bothered by bud again. Bully's Mom called my Dad and I caught hell .......but it was for a good cause.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by KLMember Profile,3/15/2011 14:50 ET
    TJR, thx for the alternative video.

    I think the response was proportional. That little twerp was using the most strength and "technique" that he could muster, so the bigger guy did the same thing.

    IMO he should have kicked the little kid in the head when he started to get up. Violence begets violence, and only awesome violence can stop the cycle.

    Right now, I don't think the bigger kid did enought to "shock and awe" the little twerp from trying to get retribution. The twerp's friends, based on human nature & their comments in the video, are going to goad the twerp into trying to get even. The twerp probably won't try an open physical assault again, but will instead find little ways to continue to screw with the bigger kid.

    That is worse as, unlike a physical altercation, the bigger kid will have no justified cause to retaliate, and will have to deal with the twerp's schemes perpetually.

    That said, the slam was cool, as was the callous and nonchalant way the bigger kid shoots the twerp a look of disdain and calmly walks away

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/15/2011 14:52 ET
    Dave,

    Here is another story...

    My son got 3 days of in-school suspension (during lunch hour) in 7th grade due to a zero-tolerance bullying incident. The vice-principal called me personally to talk about the incident, and said if it weren't for the zero tolerance policy, he wouldn't have given our son any punishment.

    The incident was an older student picking on my son for amusement (for the picker and his peers). The picker would stand in front of our son's locker, not let him by, "accidentally" push into him, etc. It went on for some time, but our son didn't tell us.

    Well, one day my son had enough, and in the middle of getting shoved around, accidentally, he hauled off and decked the kid, hard...right in the face, bending his glasses, etc.

    The bully then when to the VP and told on our son, trying to get him in trouble. However, the bully was in the VP's office all the time, and a chronic troublemaker, and the VP barely even knew our son...other than he was shy. The VP saw right through it all.

    Anyway, the VP told me "Good for your son! I am sure he won't get picked on anymore!", and he was right, he didn't.

    We talked quite a bit with our son about that, and why he felt he couldn't talk to us about what was going on in school. I think, all in all, he just wanted to deal with it himself.

    And he did.

    We punished our son for NOT coming to us. As parents, we had to. We too need a zero tolerance policy and follow-through on many things. But, we made it clear that we were NOT punishing him for getting in the fight...we told him that he has the right to defend himself. We also made it clear that we felt "zero tolerance" is a crappy policy. A better policy is a near-zero policy. :-) That's what we try to enforce as parents.

    TJR
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by KLMember Profile,3/15/2011 14:54 ET
    TJR, thx for the alternative video.

    I think the response was proportional. That little twerp was using the most strength and "technique" that he could muster, so the bigger guy did the same thing.

    IMO he should have kicked the little kid in the head when he started to get up. Violence begets violence, and only awesome violence can stop the cycle.

    Right now, I don't think the bigger kid did enought to "shock and awe" the little twerp from trying to get retribution. The twerp's friends, based on human nature & their comments in the video, are going to goad the twerp into trying to get even. The twerp probably won't try an open physical assault again, but will instead find little ways to continue to screw with the bigger kid.

    That is worse as, unlike a physical altercation, the bigger kid will have no justified cause to retaliate, and will have to deal with the twerp's schemes perpetually.

    That said, the slam was cool, as was the callous and nonchalant way the bigger kid shoots the twerp & his trash-talking friend a look of disdain and calmly walks away

    EDIT: The trash-talking kid who got in the bigger kid's face at the end (whom the girl told to back off), walks off after the bigger kid as the video ends. That doesn't seem good. Maybe that guy will have better "technique" than the twerp. That was abhorrent, a disgrace to pugilists everywhere. It would have been just had the twerp had sufficient strength for him to damage his hand when employing such God-awful technique on those "punches".

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Bill VMember Profile,3/15/2011 15:13 ET
    TJR, please clarify--

    It sounds like you're saying that your son's bully preventing your son from passing or accidentally pushing him was enough to justify your son "hauling off and decking the kid, hard", but that the kid in the video punching the other kid multiple times was just him "fooling around"? I hope you can understand how it sounds like a double standard.

    And for the record--from my perspective, good for your son, and good for this kid in the video, responding the way they did. Both were appropriate response.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Andy CMember Profile 3 Member Projects,3/15/2011 15:54 ET
    Quote:

    and nonchalant way the bigger kid shoots the twerp & his trash-talking friend a look of disdain and calmly walks away


    I doubt I'd be able to just walk away. I give him credit for being able to do that too.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/15/2011 16:15 ET
    Bill V,

    Yes, I understand how that sounds like a double standard. But I never said that the fat kid above wasn't justified or that he shouldn't have defended himself.

    Further details on my son's incident:

    1. My son's bully taunted him for months, on and off. Not sure if that was the case for the kids in the video.

    2. My son was the much smaller kid in his situation, not the bigger one. I think that makes a difference in the level of response.

    3. In the case where my son "let loose" on the kid, that particular day the taunting escalated on the part of the bully to being much more violent, to the point where he was repeatedly pushing my son into his locker. My son was defending himself, arguably.

    Granted, what my son did, was a little excessive, not proportional, and not entirely justified (one can always walk away), and for those reasons it is similar to the video. That's probably one reason why schools have zero tolerance, so things don't escalate.

    I have no problem with my son, or the fat kid above defending himself. Its the excessive nature that I object to, in both cases.

    For the fat kid above, he could have walked away, headlocked, the kid, whatever. He could have hit him back. Any of those probably would have stopped it. And, he was the much bigger kid. The little kid was like a gnat to him. A pest.

    What he did could have killed the kid, or permanently paralyzed the kid.

    My son and I also had a significant talk about the dangers of hitting someone with glasses, whether or not the person had it coming to them. He now knows, that if in a similar situation and he "has to" fight to defend himself, a gut punch, or a jaw punch should suffice. :-)

    Again, my point with the above is that it looked like tom foolery of a little kid thinking its fun to pick on the bigger kid, assuming the bigger kid probably won't do anything because of the absurdity of the situation. Its like the little yappy lap dog that goes nipping at the good natured bulldog. It's all fun until the bulldog gets pi$$ed.

    That's the way I saw the video. Unlike a bulldog, however, the fat kid in the video responded with potentially back breaking, skull crushing force instead of just a bite.

    So, yes, in both cases, I think the kid being tormented is justified in responding, but I think in both cases the response should be measured and proportional to the specifics of the case.

    But, I also said several times above, you get what's coming to you, excessive or not. So, I have no sympathy, really, for the bully in these cases. Please don't confuse being critical of the bullied person's response with sympathy for the bully, or an indication that I don't support SOME response on the part of the bullied.

    TJR
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by KLMember Profile,3/15/2011 16:59 ET
    Quote:

    Its like the little yappy lap dog that goes nipping at the good natured bulldog. It's all fun until the bulldog gets pi$$ed.


    Except that the little twerp, your "lap dog", could have debilitated the bigger kid with his "nipping".

    What if,by malevolence or by sheer lack of coordination (We know he lacks it), that twerp had hit the bigger kid in the throat?

    What if his crappy punch had gone awry and hit the bigger kid in the eye?

    Quote:

    For the fat kid above, he could have walked away, headlocked, the kid, whatever. He could have hit him back.


    We don't know enough to judge that this is not a recurring torment, and that walking away was tried to no avail in the past.

    Quote:

    He now knows, that if in a similar situation and he "has to" fight to defend himself, a gut punch, or a jaw punch should suffice. :-)

    A punch with effect isn't effortless to do. Just look at the little kid in this video--he gave it all he had. Though this does seem to negate your premise of preventing injury--it's not as though punches to the gut & mandible are harmless. When you have enough force to make the bully think twice, you have enough force to start doing some damage. If you don't have enough force, well, the other dude just might, and employ it on you. As the video shows.

    You said that the bigger kid could have hit him back. What if the bigger kid had thrown a punch that debilitated the twerp? Wouldn't you have the same complaints?

    Quote:


    What he did could have killed the kid, or permanently paralyzed the kid.

    What if your prescribed punch breaks the other dude's jaw? No fun there. What if it were to knock the other guy out, and he falls to the ground and smashes his head on the ground. Seems like what you're trying to prevent.

    How would a headlock accomplish anything? As soon as you let go, the assailant is likely to continue the assault. Restraining the twerp only stops him until you let go.

    In the end, the big kid used what he knew to deal with a violent altercation. Both parties are unharmed, and hopefully the big kid will not be screwed with by his peers again. The big kid got a self-esteem boost by dealing with the problem himself, and the twerp got his self-esteem smashed on the pavement.

    As a bonus, it was for more entertaining than professional MMA, as a bodyslam such as that is ilegal.

    (Edited for superfluous content)

    Message was edited by KL on 3/15/2011 at 17:06 ET

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by reaperMember Profile,3/15/2011 17:01 ET
    little guy had it coming, if anything it shoulda been dealt with when the bullying began not after the guy was slammed

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Bill VMember Profile,3/15/2011 17:04 ET
    Quote:

    ...and not entirely justified (one can always walk away)...

    I'm going to have to disagree with you there. It's not always possible to walk away. In fact, one of the most common techniques used by bullies is to not allow their victim to walk away.
    Quote:

    For the fat kid above, he could have walked away, headlocked, the kid, whatever. He could have hit him back. Any of those probably would have stopped it.

    I highly doubt it. It definitely wouldn't have stopped it long-term, and even short term it probably wouldn't have put an end to it, especially with all the littler kids friends in on it and likely willing to join in if the response had been anything short of what it was. (The fact that the video camera was running, and the cameraman is pulling people out of the way so he can film it, makes pretty clear to me that this was a planned attack on the bigger kid.) The only true way for the bigger kid to end it was to put the smaller kid at least temporarily out of commission.
    Quote:

    Unlike a bulldog, however, the fat kid in the video responded with potentially back breaking, skull crushing force instead of just a bite.

    The way I saw it, he showed significant restraint. If the larger kid really wanted to hurt him, he could have slammed him down a few inches to our left and had him hit the corner of that planter.
    Quote:

    And, he was the much bigger kid.

    Knowing your past difficulties with weight, I'm a bit surprised to hear you say this. Just because someone is physically larger than someone else doesn't mean that they should tolerate bullying any more than someone who is smaller.
    Quote:

    Again, my point with the above is that it looked like tom foolery of a little kid thinking its fun to pick on the bigger kid,

    The bigger kid's head snapped back pretty violently on the punch 5 seconds in. That, IMHO, hardly qualifies as "tomfoolery".

    But yes--I think that for the most part, we're on the same page, in both cases.

    Quote:

    My son and I also had a significant talk about the dangers of hitting someone with glasses,

    You mean, that your son could potentially end up with cuts on his hands, right? :)
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by CaymenMember Profile4 Member Projects,3/15/2011 17:22 ET
    That little punk should be happy he only got body slamed.

    You can only push someone so far before they crack. At that point, they become a beast and destroy. If more people looked at this by that persopective, we would have less issues in this world.


    Tom
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by CaymenMember Profile4 Member Projects,3/15/2011 17:25 ET
    This is how this thread will proceed. TJR will start calling things moot and than anyone that feels the same as he does Gary S. will post some assinine picture of a squirrel or a grasshopper and make some comment that I would just shoot someone. Bill Barber will directly attack me for my post.

    After a few months, someone will make a mass posting dogging myself and a few select members.

    Any takers on this?


    Tom
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Jerry GernerMember Profile,3/15/2011 17:37 ET
    The bully got exactly what he deserved (broken)

    I bet you no other kid will ever try to with the fat kid again after that, especially since they have video of what he'll do if you try it.

    You can say what you want about "he could've walked away" ya and have that happen to him again and again, he's been bullied for awhile and I'm proud of him for taking a stand and defending himself.

    Sure he deserved to get suspended as did the bully because of what he did but I'm pretty sure he and his parents are ok with that. Some of the teachers are probably proud of him too, not happy that he was forced to do it but happy that he finally stood up for himself.

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/15/2011 17:56 ET
    Bill V,

    You are right. I should not have said "always". More appropriate would have been if I said "one can usually walk away", or "one can often walk away."

    I'm no pacifist, even though my current religious affiliation would state otherwise. If someone is itching for a fight, there are times you should oblige them.

    I'm not saying larger means you should tolerate more crap. I guess I'm going to go all Spiderman the movie on you. To me, it's more like: With great power comes great responsibility.

    The bigger kid was just that, bigger, more powerful. Should he have restrained himself completely? No.

    I just think he was very lucky not to have put that kid in the hospital.

    I don't know how else to say it. A proper analogy might be pulling a gun out during a fist fight. Doesn't so much matter who started it, or why, at that point. But its going to get finished, quickly, if that trigger gets pulled.

    P.S. Thanks for the 5 sec reference. I watched the video several times and SOMEHOW missed that punch every time. The only one I saw was the deflected one, then the foot dancing.

    With that said, and with this new found info, I do find that the big kid used restraint, or was dazed. If he restrained himself, that's great. Good for him.

    Still, that body slam is 10x worse than that punch to the face.

    But, then again, don't start none, won't be none.


    Caymen,

    Funny. Very funny. But your post is somewhat moot.

    TJR

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/15/2011 18:02 ET

    One from the Internet Archives, also filed under "don't let your mouth or hands write checks that your arse can't cash!"

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by fkent484Member Profile,3/15/2011 18:13 ET
    Anyone interested can Google Epic Bearded Man and see the adult version of this smack down.

    Kid got what he deserved and probably wont mess with the bigger kid again.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by EddieS'04Member Profile1 Member Project,3/15/2011 19:20 ET
    I will confess to the fact I was on the recieving end grade 1 to 12. Barely 0ver 100lbs and shorter than the bullies. The times I did stand up, I lost.

    After graduation I still put up with it from the same people, at times.
    I joined 3yrs Army. One year latter I weighed 170lbs.
    I enjoyed every bit of my 2yrs in 'Nam. No PTSD here. When the ocassion rose after the Army. I didnt look for it, but when it found me. I came out the victor most of the time.

    I know exactly how it feels to be bullied. I use what I have experianced, to talk to kids I see. Whether they are the agressor or the reciever. When my elementry teacher X-wife had a new class. She would let me talk to the kids about the right and wrong and the pit falls.

    I try and help the bullied to not be ashamed. I try to reason with the bullies, as to why they feel they need to. I sometimes watch the kids in my neighbor hood. When I see it is not mutual combat. I break it up.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by gary s.Member Profile,3/15/2011 20:21 ET
    "Caymen,

    Funny. Very funny. But your post is somewhat moot."





            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Uncle_BobMember Profile,3/15/2011 20:36 ET
    That video is going viral on the web. Just saw it posted on Windows Live.

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by BrandonMember Profile ,3/15/2011 21:14 ET
    IMO the little kid got what he deserved in the first video.

    The second video that occurred in the store, the huge black dude showed excessive force. And if it were me in the situation, he wouldn't have dream of catching me as I know I can outrun him.

    As far as the Epic Bearded Man, the black dude was warned and kept running his mouth, again got what he deserved.

    Myself, I'm 21, 150 lbs soaking wet and 5'6" on my toes. I was picked on in high school as being "the little guy". My father is the exact same size as me, but heavier (muscle and as he calls it "insulation"). I joined the football team in middle school weighing under 100 lbs and less than 5' tall, and again was laughed at. My last 3 years of high school I had a PE class called Weight Training. I spent a lot of time hitting the weights and really bulked up. Also spent some time wrestling and with a heavy bag. Like my father now, we have dealt with the "small guy" bullying by the bigger people and have knocked some bigger people on their butt. I can now say that nobody that knows me really messes with me.

    At this point I can't stand bullying of any kind and deal with it accordingly.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/15/2011 21:44 ET
    I agree the smaller kid had it coming. I doubt he will do it again.

    I wonder what people here WOULD have thought excessive?

    If the bigger kid pummelled the little one once on the ground, after the body slam, would that be excessive?

    If he picked him up, put his head in a locker, slammed the locker door repeatedly, would that be excessive?

    Or, is there no line. Are many here of the opinion that SINCE the little guy started it, any and everything that gets unleashed on him is okay...no line?

    Also, does anyone know the back story, or the follow-on story on this? Was the big kid the quiet type that gets picked on, or was this a back and forth thing for some time?

    Yes, the little guy had a smack down coming...he got one, and then some.

    TJR
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by BrandonMember Profile ,3/15/2011 22:49 ET
    I agree there is a line. Once the smaller kid was body slammed anything passed that would have been excessive. The slam stopped the kid from doing anything else to the bigger kid, and also put the smaller kid in a position where he couldn't defend himself at that point. IMO if you do something to immobilize the person for a time or put that person in a position where there is no way for them to defend them self, anything further is excessive. I do also agree that the bigger kid did have other options rather than body slamming the kid. Grabbing someone by the collar and sternly talking to them is pretty effective and usually has no physical harm. My father has done this to me and scared the crap out of me numerous times.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by JoCool311Member Profile ,3/15/2011 23:12 ET
    The little "twerp" got a 21 day suspension while the bigger kid got a 4 day suspension. Excessive would be him stomping the kid in the ground. The kid used just enough physical retaliation since the little kid didn't both coming back for round 2.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by JoCool311Member Profile ,3/15/2011 23:18 ET

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/bullied-boy-at-chifley-college-dunheved-campus-suspended-after-fighting-back/story-e6freuzi-122602207641

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by EddieS'04Member Profile1 Member Project,3/16/2011 00:38 ET
    THERE are only so many times you can try to turn the other cheek.
    A Sydney schoolboy has become an internet sensation after video emerged of him body-slamming another student during a verbal and physical attack.

    Striking back for bullying victims everywhere, the Year 10 boy - who pleaded with his tormenter to leave him alone - picked up his attacker and slammed him to the ground.

    The teenager, said to have been bullied all his school life, was backed up against a wall, taunted and punched by a younger, smaller boy.

    The victim, identified on Facebook as Casey Heynes, took a hit to the face and then more blows as the Year 7 boy goaded him to fight.

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    Suddenly Casey had had enough. He launched himself at his attacker, picked him up and threw him to the ground.

    The younger boy staggered away, stunned and hurt.

    Both students were suspended for four days after the incident on Monday.

    Footage of the fight at Chifley College, Dunheved Campus at North St Marys, was posted online and drew hundreds of comments on Facebook - mostly in support of Casey.

    Casey's father said yesterday his son had been the victim of bullying for several years and feared for his safety if he spoke about the fight.

    "There'll be reprisals from other kids in the school and he still has to go to school somewhere," he said.

    "He's not a violent kid, it's the first time he's lashed out and I don't want him to be victimised over that.

    "He's always been taught never to hit. Apparently other people's parents don't teach their kids that."

    Students said violence was a daily occurrence with fights often filmed and posted online.

    "The fights I have seen here, it's horrible. It really makes me feel unsafe," one said. A classmate added: "People pick on him every single day, they hit him around and stuff, and he just got sick of it and let out the anger."

    Online sympathisers have started a "Casey Heynes Anti Bullying Day".

    A NSW Department of Education and Training spokeswoman said the school "does not tolerate any violence and deals with all cases according to its community-agreed discipline code".

    "Both students in a fight at the school shown on the internet have been suspended ... the only injury sustained was a grazed knee."

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/bullied-boy-at-chifley-college-dunheved-campus-suspended-after-fighting-back/story-e6freuzi-1226022076411

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/16/2011 09:40 ET
    Eddie,

    Thanks for posting the info.

    Tragic that this bigger, gentle giant of a kid was bullied for several years. Tragic that he wasn't given help sooner, and that the school district allowed this all to go on and to breed an environment like the one described.

    I guess I'm glad I went to school when I did. Bullying didn't seem to be as big an issue back then. Or, maybe it was, and the years have faded the memory of it; or our increased sensitivity to and reporting of such things has simply heightened our social awareness of it.

    TJR

    Message was edited by TJR on 3/16/2011 at 09:46 ET

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Bill VMember Profile,3/16/2011 10:07 ET
    Quote:

    Or, maybe it was, and the years have faded the memory of it; or our increased sensitivity to and reporting of such things has simply heightened our social awareness of it.

    TJR, I think you're on the right path there. It's kind of like domestic violence. When the number of reported incidents went from nothing to high numbers many years ago, it was entirely because of increased awareness and reporting of the problem, and not because it hadn't been happening.

    From my perspective, bullying was a bigger problem back then, for those very reasons. There were no paths of recourse available other than to knock the tar out of your attacker if you were able to do so.

    Quote:

    If the bigger kid pummeled the little one once on the ground, after the body slam, would that be excessive?

    Honestly--it depends on the context. Most likely, yes, it would have been excessive--although if the kid has been dealing with this for some time, and having to bottle it up, I would have been able to understand how a 15 year old treated like that would react that way when his fuse gets lit.

    But if the school has a history of turning a blind eye, and allowing that to happen, as the story Eddie posted seems to indicate--If the bigger kid truly wants to put an end to this, then it's not sufficient for him to put the kid out of commission for just a few seconds. A longer-term physical message is likely called for. In which case, no, I don't think that continued pummeling would have been excessive. It would have merited a longer suspension, no doubt, but I would still consider it to be acceptable preventative action. The kid needs to protect himself--both now and in the future.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/16/2011 10:49 ET
    Bill V,

    Yes, the kid needs to protect himself, both now and in the future. I agree.

    It seems, though, the bigger kid "snapped"...maybe rightfully so. It seems he went from an attitude of ignoring and deflecting (emotionally and physically) the bullying.

    That "snap", if it happened, and the long period of "taking it" that seemed to lead up to the snap are both, in and of themselves, not healthy.

    Again, I'm not blaming the bigger kid. I blame the kid(s) that bullied. I blame the parents of the kid(s) that bullied, and I blame the school that allowed the environment of bullying...in that order.

    And, I blame some of the other kids for not having more cellphone cameras and additional recordings of this. Another angle or two of the fight would have been awesome. (jk)

    TJR
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Bill VMember Profile,3/16/2011 11:42 ET
    Quote:

    And, I blame some of the other kids for not having more cellphone cameras and additional recordings of this. Another angle or two of the fight would have been awesome. (jk)

    Quote:

    Students said violence was a daily occurrence with fights often filmed and posted online.

    Sounds like they have plenty of cell phone videos going there, quite regularly. Surprised someone didn't get hi-def. :)

    Quote:

    It seems, though, the bigger kid "snapped"...maybe rightfully so. It seems he went from an attitude of ignoring and deflecting (emotionally and physically) the bullying.

    Yep--that's what I was trying to say when I said that it likely would have been excessive, but I could have understood it.
    Quote:

    Again, I'm not blaming the bigger kid. I blame the kid(s) that bullied. I blame the parents of the kid(s) that bullied, and I blame the school that allowed the environment of bullying...in that order.

    I'll change the order slightly, to the parents of the bullies first, then the school, then the bullies themselves--and then, at the tail end, I'll also toss in the parents of the victim. I drop the bullies themselves to third simply because often times, their actions are based on their own insecurities, and not knowing how to handle them because the parents haven't taught them how to address them. Buy yeah, we're on the same page.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/16/2011 13:45 ET
    Bill V,

    I respect that order and appreciate it given your rationale. Still, I blame the kid over the parents. Yes, most parents bring their kids up to do right from wrong. And, yes, some kids still do wrong, occasionally. But this particular kid (the little kid) was clearly an a-#1 arsehole, and for that, I think parents bear much of the blame. However, to be that big an ahole, at that age, you're just a jerk. Period. No one can blame someone else more than themselves for being a disrespectful jerk.

    I may be expecting too much from people, especially kids. I do recognize that most bad kids come from bad parents...but I won't completely accept that defeatist attitude.

    TJR

    Message was edited by TJR on 3/16/2011 at 14:02 ET

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TheShawnMember Profile,3/16/2011 14:17 ET
    I've had a little experience from both ends of this scale:

    Elementary school - From grade 3 through grade 7 I was bullied daily... I was both the little kid and the poor kid. I never fought back, nor did I dare tattle-tale out of fear.

    Grade 7 - I moved out west to my fathers place. I joined muay thia, had a growth spurt, and built a pile of quiet confidence as a result. I still allowed people to verbally assault me (as I was a little shy), but the first guy that layed his hand on me had a broken nose, orbital bone, and two missing teeth. 4 punches. Was it exsessive: absolutely... Did I regret it: not even a little - 7 years of being on the receiving end of the bullying came out in one combination of punches.

    Grade 11 & 12 - no one picked on me at all (the whole school knew what I was capable of)... Unfortunately, my ability to defend myself manifested in a desire to be the "big man on campus". When I saw a bully picking on anyone, I went after that bully with next to no restraint - I spent far too much time suspended, lost 1 full semester of high school as a result of said suspensions. I was called "the bully killer", but in reality, I was just as much of a bully as the bullies were. It took me years to realise that it was wrong - but I still am unsure if it's worth any regret.

    15 years later: my oldest daughter has been getting picked on by one group of girls for 4 years now. She's talked to myself and my wife about it, I've contacted the school, the bully' parents, and the guidance counsellor for the school board on numerous occasions. By "tattle-taling" to her parent, my daughters verbal attacks became more frequent, and the physical altercations started (mostly shoving and tripping in the halls).
    I took the heavy bag out of storage, taught my daughter how to throw a punch, and told her to hit the first one that touches her with every ounce of force that she has... I told her that the suspension for a light hit in the face will be every bit as severe as a full on power punch - "so you hit that girl with everything you have... and I'll buy the kid dentures if I have to".

    She hit the girl three weeks later - and was suspended for three days. I bought her an X-box to pass the time. The bully was suspended for pushing my daughter (1 day).

    My daughter has not been called a single name since (over 4 months now). Her confidence has gone through the roof, her grades have improved, and she's joined the local wrestling club.

    So - my take: Good on the bigger kid for putting the bully in his place. That was no where near excessive force in my eyes... and I hope they both learned from this experience.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/16/2011 14:35 ET
    Shawn,

    Good story, good parenting. Glad that your daughter came to you. Clearly the bullies parents were non-parents, lest the bullying would have stopped. It's one thing to have a bully as a kid if you don't know about it, but once parents know about it there should be no more bullying. Period.

    Defending yourself and sending a signal in the process, when it comes to that, is a great thing.

    BTW, I would have gotten the principal of the school fired, or died trying, in order to get both kids in the incident to get the same punishment. Negative attention, like alerting the media of the incident, especially in this day and age, is a great way to get justice for these kinds of things. Maybe you tried. I hope you did. Maybe you didn't want retaliation from the other kid and her parents. F-them I say.

    Still, good job. Seriously.

    Lastly, girls have so much more "school drama" than boys. I'm just finding that out. Our youngest of three is our girl. She is in 4th grade. Her oldest brother graduating this year. Girls are so much tougher. Not sure why. My wife works mostly with women, and has her whole career in different job. Same thing. Petty, catty, clicky crap, often. Wassup with that? By and large, with guys, if they have an issue they just work it out.

    TJR
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Bill VMember Profile,3/17/2011 13:43 ET
    Quote:

    I'll change the order slightly, to the parents of the bullies first, then the school, then the bullies themselves--and then, at the tail end, I'll also toss in the parents of the victim. I drop the bullies themselves to third simply because often times, their actions are based on their own insecurities, and not knowing how to handle them because the parents haven't taught them how to address them. Buy yeah, we're on the same page.

    After thinking about it a bit more, I realized that there's at least one more person involved who is fully deserving of a multi-day suspension--the cameraman. To have the camera running right from the start, he clearly knew about the littler kid's plans to attack before it went down--yet he did nothing to stop it, and by filming it, he indirectly participated in it. And then he proceeded to post it on the Internet for the world to see. The cameraman doesn't deserve as much punishment as the littler kid--but he deserves at least as much as the bigger kid for what he did during the fight, and even more for what he did afterwards.

    Message was edited by Bill V on 3/19/2011 at 02:23 ET

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/17/2011 13:45 ET
    Bill V,

    Good point. If anything, not only did the cameraman do nothing to stop it, as you said, he really contributed to the event in a negative way, possibly instigating it.

    Without a camera there might not have even been a fight.

    TJR
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Bill VMember Profile,3/17/2011 14:20 ET
    Quote:

    Without a camera there might not have even been a fight.

    Likely more than a small part of the reason so many schools completely ban cell phones...
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by fkent484Member Profile,3/17/2011 15:47 ET
    Without the video the bigger kid would have taken the brunt of the punishement because everyone would assume the bigger kid started it....
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by RedfishMember Profile,3/17/2011 15:51 ET
    This wasn't a fight. One punch and a body slam?

    1964 In my school just about all the guys fought. The girls never. The gym teachers were the only ones who would break up a fight, other teachers ran. There were no gangs, so it was always one on one. Fighting was sort of like a tennis ladder, you challenged up, but never jumped over two steps up. The police never got called. No one ever got suspended. We dated on Friday nights and never dated on Saturday nights. Saturday nights was fighting with other schools or going to the amusement park and fighting with the sailors. No one ever got a serious injury.

    If I got suspended for three days every time I got in a fight, I would still be doing time.

    Things change, you just have to laugh.

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by CoastiejoeMember Profile2 Member Projects,3/18/2011 20:35 ET
    I didn't read through all of the posts,,,,

    But,,, I have to think the bigger kid has been picked on before. Unfortunately, those that are not skinny, pretty, handsome, cute, ect, ect, ect normally do.

    The little kid got some of his own medicine. I NEVER use the word deserve, but this is as close as it gets...
    You can't punch someone in the face and expect no retaliation....
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/19/2011 00:23 ET
    Redfish,

    Stay golden, Ponyboy.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by HughMember Profile,3/19/2011 11:51 ET
    Interesting article on the subject...

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/mar/18/doj-white-male-bullying-victims-tough-luck/

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by LesMember Profile,3/19/2011 12:04 ET
    Quote:

    Here is the catch. DOJ will only investigate bullying cases if the victim is considered protected under the 1964 Civil Rights legislation. In essence, only discrimination against a victims race, sex, national origin, disability, or religion will be considered by DOJ. The overweight straight white male who is verbally and/or physically harassed because of his size can consider himself invisible to the Justice Department.

    Apparently, the Justice Department is going by George Orwells famous Animal Farm ending: All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.


    What you would expect from AG Holder...

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Bill VMember Profile,3/21/2011 15:16 ET
    FYI, the kid who got body slammed is speaking up...

    http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/feature/2011/03/21/richard_gale_bully_today_tonight

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by fkent484Member Profile,3/21/2011 15:39 ET
    This incident happend in Australia so while I agree Holder is a chump, it's out of his jurisdiction.
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by CaymenMember Profile4 Member Projects,3/21/2011 16:45 ET
    That bully has his eyebrow pierced? Are you kidding me?


    Tom
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Richard LMember Profile2 Member Projects,3/22/2011 10:44 ET
    On today's news they had the little bully on for an interview and he claims that he was bullied and has been bullied all his life. That may be true and maybe his motivation for going after the chunky kid since he thought he would not fight back. It was appearant from the video that the little kid was bullying the big kid and threw numerous punches at the bigger kid trying to get him to fight. I think the chunky kid defended himself in the best way he could, and did not retaliate until it became obvious that they little bully was going to pursist and that he could get hurt if it did not stop. Slamming the kid on the pavement and stopping the attack was exactly what he should have done. An I, unlike CoastieJoe feel that the little bully got exactly what he deserved !!! It was a hard lesson, but I doubt that he will be bullying anybody for a long time. I think he learned a lesson: "If you are going to be a bully, you better be good at it or you can get hurt".

    The school suspended both students, and that is nothing new. I got into a couple of fights when I was in school and even then we were both suspended. Neither incident was related to bullying, just a childish difference of opinions...

    ...Rich

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by TJRMember Profile,3/22/2011 11:07 ET
    RichardL,

    Yeah, I saw him on the Today Show as well.

    Whenever I catch two of our kids fighting, invariably I catch them in the supposed middle of the dispute, and the one being the aggressor at that point in time almost always says:

    "He started it!"

    Yesterday it was our 15yo and almost 18yo sons smacking each other, headlocks and the like. I did the same thing with my young bro at that age, and I can say more often than not it started out as just "brotherly love." Sometimes, once in particular, it ended up with really hurt feelings, busted furniture, ripped clothes... It happens. :-)

    Anyway, the term "bullying" has become an overused term of the past few years, I think. Look at a kid crossways now and you are "bullying" them. Way back when, fat kids were called "fat", skinny kids "rail", tall kids "beanpole", etc. Now, there is supposed to be zero tolerance for that. Oh, and you can get a pass so you don't have to run or climb the rope in gym class. And, if you don't like the score you got on your test, you can ask for extra credit. Also, you don't have to memorize your addition and multiplication tables anymore; instead, you can use one of several different "counting" techniques to figure out the answer. Besides, when math gets tough, you will always have a calculator nearby. Same with typing, and spelling...those skills are a waste. The computer makes all of that easier now.

    We've become a nation of wimps. Don't know when we "jumped the shark" as a nation of adults, men and women, and became filled with children that never really grew up. I'm thinking the baby boomers and maybe there kids might actually be the last generation or true of adults, leading adult lives, with adult expectations, and passing adult values and placing adult-like expectations on their children.

    (putting on asbestos suit...sorry for the broad brushstrokes above, of course, not EVERYONE born since around 1970 is still a child)...

    TJR
            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by will eMember Profile,3/22/2011 14:34 ET
    WOW. I finally watched the video. That was a smack down. He took care of him and then walked away. I am sure if the little guy had been the one that delivered such a blow he would have added a couple of extra kicks in while the guy was on the ground.

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by Uncle_BobMember Profile,3/22/2011 18:28 ET
    Now the little guy is claiming that he is the one who was being bullied. This from a new item clip from the Today Show.

            re: Bullied kid fights back and gets suspended by flu shotMember Profile,3/31/2011 22:57 ET
    this is a fight between my son and a older kid that had been harassing him for months. he had told me the kid always had something to say to him and would never let him pass without at the least calling him some sort of name. i gave him the speech about turning the another cheek and walk away from trouble ect. it all came to head when they happen to meet in a local park. as hes hitting him you can hear him saying" stop talking sh!t." i told my son i was proud that he stood up for himself but that i thought the curb stomp at the end was totally uncalled for.

    Message was edited by flu shot on 3/31/2011 at 23:05 ET

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoG6gj4ED9c&feature=player_detailpage



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